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Mystery Boxes, asking permission

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Mystery Boxes, asking permission

From: Letterbox707 (letterbox707@yahoo.com) | Date: 2002-11-06 13:47:47 UTC-08:00

OOoo!  I love the coded clues for the Birdwatching and Cattails Mystery Boxes, and I will be driving through Richmond some day....must solve that.....must steal that idea to get some local friends interested in letterboxing, too! 

I am new to letterboxing, and have seen discussion on asking the NPS Rangers about placing boxes, as it appears they don't like them and confiscate them.  My question is, do most of you ask permission before placing boxes at a state or local park, or do you JUST DO IT?  Only today did I see a post about talking to the Park Rangers about letterboxing -- and they were okay with it.  I guess I have assumed that if I did ask permission, they would say "NO!"  Any thoughts or advice on this?

June*Flowers

 



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Re: Mystery Boxes, asking permission

From: Mary from Virginia (daughteroftheolddominion@yahoo.com) | Date: 2002-11-06 22:08:35 UTC
I haven't heard of any problems with STATE and LOCAL parks - the
NATIONAL parks are the ones that are fussy. I assume that no one
asks when planting in state and local parks. I know I didn't.

Mary

--- In letterbox-usa@y..., Letterbox707 wrote:
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> OOoo! I love the coded clues for the Birdwatching and Cattails
Mystery Boxes, and I will be driving through Richmond some
day....must solve that.....must steal that idea to get some local
friends interested in letterboxing, too!
> I am new to letterboxing, and have seen discussion on asking the
NPS Rangers about placing boxes, as it appears they don't like them
and confiscate them. My question is, do most of you ask permission
before placing boxes at a state or local park, or do you JUST DO IT?
Only today did I see a post about talking to the Park Rangers about
letterboxing -- and they were okay with it. I guess I have assumed
that if I did ask permission, they would say "NO!" Any thoughts or
advice on this?
> June*Flowers
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LbNA] Re: Mystery Boxes, asking permission

From: Randy Hall (randy@mapsurfer.com) | Date: 2002-11-06 17:36:03 UTC-05:00

> I haven't heard of any problems with STATE and LOCAL parks

I've heard it reported long ago that geocaching (and by extension,
letterboxing) is illegal in the state park systems of Georgia, North
Carolina, and the local park system of Boulder, CO.

I've also heard it reported that the Pennsylvania park system is developing
"guidelines" on the activities. Finally, its been reported, that as
of 2002, activities _other_ than hunting are "in some ways restricted"
on state game lands in PA (state game lands make up alot of acres in PA,
so this is a big deal to non-hunters, especially since hunting _is_
permitted in most PA state parks).

Now you've heard it reported -- YMMV.

Cheers
Randy

PS - in the P & F counting thread, one opinion I'll add is that an object
need not have clues to be considered a letterbox ... (but a logbook and
stamp are essential of course ...) ... and it of course may find you (or
plant you, I suppose :-) ... the interesting lawyerware in this thread
comes from revisions and things that move around, not so much from
identifying what counts initially -- IMHO anyway)

Re: [LbNA] Mystery Boxes, asking permission

From: Tig (mainetig@yahoo.com) | Date: 2002-11-06 19:19:30 UTC-08:00
Some time ago, there was also a thread about Audubon not wanting
letterboxes placed on their land either - but if I recall correctly,
the final ruling from their national headquarters was that is was being
left to individual land owners.

As someone mentioned last time this topic came up, asking is always a
good idea - or at least research the rules for that particular
organization, if they are avaliable. I don't think we should ever
assume that the placing of a box in a park is okay - even if others are
already placed there. Bottom line is that the whatever
authority/organization oversees that piece of land is responsible for
it, and we should at least give them the respect of talking with them.

If permission has not been sought prior to placing, then we should also
respects that authorities/organizations right to confiscate it.
Technically, it is there right to do so - and if we haven't ask then we
really don't have any right to complain or be irritated about it
either.

JMHO - YMMV,

Tig

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Re: [LbNA] Mystery Boxes, asking permission

From: (HANNAHKAT@aol.com) | Date: 2002-11-06 23:02:59 UTC-05:00
Remember that "Audubon" comprises many organizations. I work for Mass Audubon. We are independent from other state Audubons and also separate from National Audubon. I can say that our particular sanctuary is one of over 40 of Mass Audubon's and we have no problems with having letterboxes. I'm pretty sure that at least one other staffer in the state is doing letterboxing with camp kids. I have placed boxes at other sanctuaries,and I know there are boxes placed by others at other Mass Audubon sites. Each of our sites can dictate 'yes' or 'no' about what types of activities (within MAS' overarching policies - of no collecting, no fires, no pets etc). I would say that it is fine to ask permission, but that as long as there is no damage, no telltale signs of people frequenting an area ("leave no trace") and regular monitoring of your placed boxes, secretly placing them is probably also fine (Mind you, please don't take this as an official stance for Mass Audubon. I'm not sure what they would come out with as a policy if asked about it).

-Kim (aka Rustypuff)

In a message dated 11/6/2002 10:22:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, mainetig@yahoo.com writes:


Some time ago, there was also a thread about Audubon not wanting
letterboxes placed on their land either - but if I recall correctly,
the final ruling from their national headquarters was that is was being
left to individual land owners.